ESTP enters from pushing through and secures by order. ESTJ enters from practical matters and arranges by comfort. Work, the site, results. Interests overlap, and ESTP's "take it now" and ESTJ's "run it correctly" point in different directions on the same site.
In terms of the mechanism, ESTP's first position, "force that pushes through", corresponds to ESTJ's eighth, and ESTP's second, "logic that builds order", to ESTJ's seventh. The seventh and eighth are places that are strong but not used consciously. So ESTJ understands what ESTP does. Understands, and yet does not do it themselves. The reverse is the same: ESTJ's "practical logic" and "sensing that arranges comfort" are ESTP's unconscious strong places. Reading the same book and talking about a different one.
Augustinavičiūtė called it "the relation of parallel intellects". The kinds of the most developed elements coincide; direction and character are reversed. Interests overlap; methods pass each other by.
Understanding each other up to a point, and meeting a hard disagreement beyond it.
In front of an audience
ESTP waits for the intuition that reads the flow; ESTJ waits for the ethics of people. Both are the other's sore spot, and in trouble no support comes.
ESTP waits for "intuition that reads the flow" and ESTJ for "ethics of people", but each is the other's fourth, the weakest place. The calm is partly due to this arrangement. Neither has a tool that strikes the sore spot. But in trouble no support comes. Long in a closed small group, this blank turns into fatigue.
In discussion with an audience you build on each other's ideas and make far-reaching plans. Alone, understanding thins. The other's advice can be used; you cannot learn from the other.
How each sees the other
ESTP → ESTJ
They run things. Correct.
They do not take the present.
They ask you for the ethics of people.
ESTJ → ESTP
They take. Fast.
They do not run things.
They ask you for the flow of what is coming.
What has been recorded
SCENE 01Pulling toward one's own pole
In joint work, each quietly pulls matters toward their own pole, enriching and correcting each other. Acknowledging the other's talent and potential and forgiving weakness, a "tolerance for collision", is the strength, the record says.
SCENE 02The hard disagreement beyond
You can understand each other up to a point. Beyond it you meet a hard disagreement. Even if one forcefully negates the other's expression for a moment, the other quietly goes on keeping their own understanding. What matters to one is small to the other, the observation says.
SCENE 03Subtype
With mismatched subtypes, inner tension and disapproval of each other's actions grow; when interdependence forms through a joint plan, the disapproval dissolves, the observation says. Two logical types are calm; two ethical types get noisy.
Love, living together, work, family: scene by scene
ConversationStrong in public.
RomanceFar from ideal, the observation says.
Living togetherIt thins alone.
WorkGood results in the field of the worksite.
FamilyGood given an audience.
If you keep going
Keep an audience
A pair that thins alone.
Do not negate
The other quietly keeps their own understanding.
Do not try to learn
The advice can be used; it cannot be learned.
For these two
How to meet ── In front of people
A relation that sees different views in the same words. Meetings, parties, places with an audience. A good pair in public, so meeting there leaves a good impression.
Approach ── Do not hurry the conclusion
The talk fits. The conclusion does not. Do not try to change theirs; stop at "so that's how you see it". Enjoy the same book as a different book.
A date ── Somewhere crowded
A festival, a market, a big exhibition. Walking side by side among people is easier for these two than long hours alone.
Gifts ── for ESTP, Foresight; for ESTJ, Feeling
For ESTP: A surprise planned ahead, one thing that lasts. The future ESTP does not read alone. For ESTJ: A letter, something handmade, words. What ESTJ does not produce alone.
PROne thing for this relation
A relation that sees different views in the same words, so tools to set the views side by side.
Podcast equipmentThe conversation of these two comes alive when others listen.
Frequently asked
In public it is the best, but
Understanding thins alone, the record says.
It gets through partway, and then
A hard disagreement beyond a certain point.
I cannot imitate my partner's way of thinking
Understanding without being able to imitate is the feel of quasi-identity.
What is ESTP and ESTJ compatibility in love?
Far from ideal, the observation says. More under "Love, living together, work, family: scene by scene" and "If you keep going".
Do ESTP and ESTJ work well together?
Good results in the field of the worksite. More under "Love, living together, work, family: scene by scene" and "If you keep going".
This pair is the quasi-identity relation, one of the sixteen. How the relation itself arises, and how to tell it from the others, is on the relation page.
The two Model A's: what talks to what
ESTP on the left, ESTJ on the right. Each shows where the eight elements sit; lines connect the same element. Where each line starts and ends decides what happens in this relation.
Lines connect the same element in the other person's structure. 1–2 (strong) 3 (role) 4 (vulnerable) 5–6 (wanted) 7–8 (capable, indifferent)
1 → 8SeESTP's 1 (leading) Se (extraverted sensing) sits in ESTJ's position 8 (demonstrative). ESTJ can do what ESTP is good at but does not value it. ESTP feels slightly unappreciated.
2 → 7TiESTP's 2 (creative) Ti (introverted logic) sits in ESTJ's position 7 (ignoring). ESTJ can do what ESTP is good at but does not value it. ESTP feels slightly unappreciated.
3 → 6NeESTP's 3 (role) Ne (extraverted intuition) sits in ESTJ's position 6 (mobilizing). ESTP is weak here and ESTJ wants it. A gap neither can fill.
4 → 5FiESTP's 4 (vulnerable) Fi (introverted ethics) sits in ESTJ's position 5 (suggestive). ESTP is weak here and ESTJ wants it. A gap neither can fill.
5 → 4NiESTP's 5 (suggestive) Ni (introverted intuition) sits in ESTJ's position 4 (vulnerable). What ESTP asks for is ESTJ's weakest point. The more ESTP asks, the smaller ESTJ gets.
6 → 3FeESTP's 6 (mobilizing) Fe (extraverted ethics) sits in ESTJ's position 3 (role). What ESTP asks for is ESTJ's weakest point. The more ESTP asks, the smaller ESTJ gets.
7 → 2SiESTP's 7 (ignoring) Si (introverted sensing) sits in ESTJ's position 2 (creative). ESTJ's main field is one ESTP does not care about. Little friction, little interest.
8 → 1TeESTP's 8 (demonstrative) Te (extraverted logic) sits in ESTJ's position 1 (leading). ESTJ's main field is one ESTP does not care about. Little friction, little interest.