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ISTJ×ISTJ

LSI × LSI

Identity

Half a sentence, and it gets through.

Half a sentence, and it gets through. Someone with the same convictions and the same discipline. But there is only one final say.

ISTJ and ISTJ compatibility in brief (love, work, friendship)

ISTJ × ISTJ is the Identity relation, one of the sixteen. Half a sentence, and it gets through.

LoveEmotional fire comes from no one.WorkStrong at management. Decide the ranking.Friends & conversationTalk of convictions gets through. It splits over the final say.

Written as ISTJ × ISTJ it is the same pair. In 16Personalities terms, the Logistician and the Logistician.

No explanation needed

The same convictions, the same worldview, the same seriousness. Each appears to the other as businesslike and focused on their profession. When goals and methods align, it becomes a motive to join forces as a family.

In terms of the mechanism, the "logic that builds order" in ISTJ's first position and the "force that pushes through" in the second sit in exactly the same positions in the other. The view you are best at, the other is best at too. So no explanation is needed, and so no new perspective comes from the other either. The strong places overlap, and do not double.

In the old observations, in identity the same elements of both act in the same positions, and a complete, painless repulsion arises. Since no words are needed, there is also nothing the other can hand you. For these two, emotional fire and future possibilities are absent on both sides.

The observation says both try to carry their opinion as authority and constantly fight over their place in the system.

Where identity is most useful is in learning. If a senior of the same type has walked the same road ahead of you, their experience can be used as it is. The observations too say repeatedly that it lasts long as mentor and pupil or with a difference in age. Only when two equal ISTJs do the same thing in the same place does the repulsion described above arise.

Two planners dividing the budget, two supervisors giving instructions.

The same methods get in the way

Arranging the house by taste and refusing to acknowledge the other's taste. Trading assertions in a rigid, unyielding manner. The emotional impulse that moves a relationship comes from neither side.

The empty places are the same too. The "intuition that reads the flow" ISTJ wants most is what the other wants most, and neither has it. The "emotion that warms the room", which each produces with a little effort, takes a little effort from both. What flows in silently between duals never flowed between these two in the first place.

The same anxiety, "if something happens", neither can resolve for the other. Tension, discontent and a sense of not being respected pile up.

In raising children and in management, the same methods look duplicated, and the other's interference is a hindrance rather than a help. Boredom, lack of imagination, over-organisation.

How each sees the other

ISTJ → ISTJ

They hold the same convictions.

Serious and businesslike.

They can run a house.

ISTJ → ISTJ

They will not yield the final say.

They cannot resolve the anxiety you share.

The same methods get in the way.

What has been recorded

Love, living together, work, family: scene by scene

ConversationTalk of convictions gets through. It splits over the final say.
RomanceEmotional fire comes from no one.
Living togetherYou fight over the arrangement of the house and the final say.
WorkStrong at management. Decide the ranking.
FamilyThe same methods duplicate. Divide the responsibilities.

If you keep going

Divide the final say
One person per domain.
Find emotional fire outside
It comes from neither side.
Do not ask the other to resolve your anxiety
They carry the same one.

For these two

How to meet ── Deep inside the same hobby
A relation needing no explanation. Specialist gatherings, fans of the same author, the same sport. The person it got through to at once: that is the one.
Approach ── Connect through what is interesting
The bond between these two is interest alone. Interesting talk over talk of daily life. It ends when the interest ends, so keep the interest alive.
A date ── The same thing, side by side
A day of doing the same hobby side by side. The care of daily life comes from neither, so eat out.
Gifts ── same type; for both, A new idea
A book in a genre ISTJ would not choose, a first experience. Something that opens possibilities. What you would be glad to receive is exactly right for the other. But you easily give each other the same thing on the same day, so hand it over first, or shift it a little.

PROne thing for this relation

A relation that gets through from half a sentence, so experiences needing no explanation.

Frequently asked

Our opinions are the same, yet we quarrel
Because there is only one final say.
It is boring
The observation too notes lack of imagination and over-organisation.
It is tiring, like looking at myself
A feature of identity.
What is ISTJ and ISTJ compatibility in love?
Emotional fire comes from no one. More under "Love, living together, work, family: scene by scene" and "If you keep going".
Do ISTJ and ISTJ work well together?
Strong at management. Decide the ranking. More under "Love, living together, work, family: scene by scene" and "If you keep going".

This pair is the identity relation, one of the sixteen. How the relation itself arises, and how to tell it from the others, is on the relation page.

The two Model A's: what talks to what

ISTJ on the left, ISTJ on the right. Each shows where the eight elements sit; lines connect the same element. Where each line starts and ends decides what happens in this relation.

ISTJ · LSIISTJ · LSIEGO1 leadingTiintroverted logic2 creativeSeextraverted sensingSUPER-EGO4 vulnerableNeextraverted intuition3 roleFiintroverted ethicsSUPER-ID6 mobilizingNiintroverted intuition5 suggestiveFeextraverted ethicsID8 demonstrativeSiintroverted sensing7 ignoringTeextraverted logic1 leadingTiintroverted logic2 creativeSeextraverted sensing4 vulnerableNeextraverted intuition3 roleFiintroverted ethics6 mobilizingNiintroverted intuition5 suggestiveFeextraverted ethics8 demonstrativeSiintroverted sensing7 ignoringTeextraverted logic

Lines connect the same element in the other person's structure. 1–2 (strong) 3 (role) 4 (vulnerable) 5–6 (wanted) 7–8 (capable, indifferent)

1 → 1TiISTJ's 1 (leading) Ti (introverted logic) sits in ISTJ's position 1 (leading). Both strong here. Same ground: fast understanding, and some rivalry.
2 → 2SeISTJ's 2 (creative) Se (extraverted sensing) sits in ISTJ's position 2 (creative). Both strong here. Same ground: fast understanding, and some rivalry.
3 → 3FiISTJ's 3 (role) Fi (introverted ethics) sits in ISTJ's position 3 (role). Both weak. The same thing goes wrong for both.
4 → 4NeISTJ's 4 (vulnerable) Ne (extraverted intuition) sits in ISTJ's position 4 (vulnerable). Both weak. The same thing goes wrong for both.
7 → 7TeISTJ's 7 (ignoring) Te (extraverted logic) sits in ISTJ's position 7 (ignoring). Both capable, both indifferent. Left alone.
8 → 8SiISTJ's 8 (demonstrative) Si (introverted sensing) sits in ISTJ's position 8 (demonstrative). Both capable, both indifferent. Left alone.

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